Masonic Forum Home Search Members Calendar Who's On Welcome Guest ( Login | Register ) Recent PostsRecent Posts Popular TopicsPopular Topics Home » General » Masonic History (Legend -V- Fact) » Crieff in Scotland Crieff in Scotland Rate Topic Display Mode Topic Options Author Message IainIain Posted 04/02/2009 22:26 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 26/10/2009 16:13 Posts: 607, Visits: 709 I have seen similar to this all over the UK wonder if there is something in ithttp://www.leyman.demon.co.uk/Masonic%20Page.html Cheers, IainDumbarton Kilwinning Lodge No 18 Post #2824 TerryTerry Posted 04/02/2009 23:57 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 03/06/2010 08:02 Posts: 595, Visits: 756 Thanks for the link Iain, I found it very interesting RegardsTerryTamworth 652Australia Post #2839 Alan CampbellAlan Campbell Posted 05/02/2009 20:38 Past Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 22/07/2010 19:44 Posts: 1,089, Visits: 1,323 Sounds a lot like the myths that surround most of the large cities in americashire. Post #2898 wolfywolfy Posted 05/02/2009 22:13 Journeyman Group: Forum Members Last Login: 02/07/2010 10:35 Posts: 189, Visits: 358 Im not saying that there may not be a town or part of a town that was designed for or for what people thought was harnessing earth energies or to some other plan, but this one does not ring true for me.these are the reasons, and please feel free to correct me here!1st thing was that he said Burrell Street and King Street, meet at a point, like the bottom part of a star, and it is this which alerted methat 2 streets meet made him think of FM's and ley lines? a little odd but lets carry on.running vertically, has James Square at the top. The square, of course, is a well-known Masonic symbol, but Burrell street has an eight-sided square at the top, called the OctagonAn 8 sided square? wouldnt that just be...an octogan not a square? not exactly a masonic square, i think that part was maybe a little misunderstood.Between the two streets is (Masonic) Lodge Street leading into West High StreetJust adding "Masonic" before lodge doesnt making it a masonic street.The biggest thing that really got me though is this;If you draw a line betweenthe points of the set square, and another through thecompasses you will form a six-pointed star. This is the symbol upon which the town of Crieff has been designed Why would FM's "edit" the square and compasses just to fit a design when there was already a symbol that matched in use?6 pointed star? wouldnt that just be the Seal of Solomon? sorry so much with THIS site doesnt ring true or at least not well researched enough to be convincing. more a case of stretching the theories to fit a story the designer wants, especially with this ending statement.It is now obvious that the Freemasons had a profound knowledge of earth energies and used it to plan towns, cities, churches, cathedrals and burial-grounds in the United Kingdom, carrying their knowledge abroad to the United States, where they built the capital, Washington, and many others. S+F James K U.G.L.E Stella Maris 7279 MMM, OSM Post #2907 IainIain Posted 05/02/2009 23:34 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 26/10/2009 16:13 Posts: 607, Visits: 709 Allan and James I am of the same opinion as you both when it mentions America I give up, I dont think there is a town city or village in the world that given time you couldn't form geometrical shapes from, problem being the only ones they publish is the ones they think tie them to freemasonry.I do however think that they have a significance in the pre history of the countrys and don't doubt that the ancient brethren were aware of them, Whether they had any use for them though is another matter.I have seen ones marked out by churches through the South of England but again a lot of churches were built over ancient sites. A few years back there was some university students doing a study on this in Knightswood in Glasgow to see if they could find anything similar as Knightswood was a Templar encampment.Apologies to anyone from America, when I say i give up it is because I dont see American markings made by modern buildings as ancient. Cheers, IainDumbarton Kilwinning Lodge No 18 Post #2920 DHSDHS Posted 06/02/2009 08:11 Journeyman Group: Forum Members Last Login: Today @ 11:18 Posts: 153, Visits: 838 Alan, James and Iain, I had always hoped to progress far enough in the craft that I could ask the lizard people in the pyramids directly about this, and other remarkable discoveries by non-freemasons about what our true background is. Are you suggesting that my end-game may not be necessary after all? Yours in fraternal jest, David Post #2929 Warren1946Warren1946 Posted 08/02/2009 04:28 Apprentice Group: Forum Members Last Login: 10/04/2009 01:16 Posts: 57, Visits: 81 As a dear friend of mine used to say, "America is a country that went from barbarism to decadance without having passed through civilization."In the USA anything over 200 years old is considered ancient and ripe for either a shopping center (or centre if you prefer) is being listed as an historic monument. Post #3020 Roy VRoy V Posted 08/02/2009 10:18 Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 24/07/2010 18:25 Posts: 721, Visits: 1,170 I remember going to see the "prehistoric Pueblo buildings" in Arizona, and finding they were 12th Century - about the same era as the Tower of London. But of course, being pre-1600, they were in fact prehistoric in a White sense.I do feel sorry for David, who hasn't yet met the lizard masonic people who laid out Washington DC, complete with "bunny ears" in appropriate places. Some of us "Higher Masons" get blamed for it all the time - excuse me, time to shed my skin. PM 5770Middlesex Post #3025 cowan315cowan315 Posted 01/01/2010 22:48 Apprentice Group: Forum Members Last Login: 09/01/2010 22:35 Posts: 1, Visits: 48 The criticism which J.K. makes of my YouTube item on the Masonic design behind Crieff can be easily explained:He quotes from my site: "Burrell Street and King Street, meet at a point, like the bottom part of a star, and it is this which alerted me to the fact that they were built on ley lines."And adds: that two streets meet made him think of FM's and ley lines? a little odd but lets carry on.Reply: If you look at the picture taken at the foot of the straight streets you will see churches at the ends - this alerts any ley hunter to the possibility of ley line structure. --------------------------------------------------------------------And again:" An 8 sided square? wouldnt that just be...an octogan not a square? not exactly a masonic square, i think that part was maybe a little misunderstood."Reply: The "Octagon" is always called Burrell Square by the locals and is, of course, a powerful Masonic symbol whic was included in the town's layout.--------------------------And again: Between the two streets is (Masonic) Lodge Street leading into West High Street "Just adding "Masonic" before lodge doesnt making it a masonic street".Reply: The local Masonic Lodge (No. 38) was built on that street. -------------------------------------------------------------Yet again: A six pointed star? wouldnt that just be the Seal of Solomon? Reply: Of course it would - I have adjusted my YouTube to that effect.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------It may well be that the ancient Masons designed some Scottish towns and cities with respect to the ancient knowledge of ley lines. Since the USA never had such an infrastructure they would have to adjust their knowledge to suit. The question is - why?From a lifetime's research it is obvious to me that the ley line structure is very much connected to the spirits of the dead. See my website www.leyman.demon.co.ukAnother question - what were the Freemasons doing with a knowledge like this?David R. Cowan David Cowan Post #16923 Russell HollandRussell Holland Posted 02/01/2010 02:33 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: Today @ 11:54 Posts: 246, Visits: 1,522 I have no doubt that some of the hidden mysteries of nature and science were known in older times and kept secret from the unworthy. In principle modern Freemasonry should have inherited such knowledge but in practice it has not. Indeed in the late 19th century Blavatsky stated that no Masonic lodges preserved the true secrets. She did not however say that no Masons preserved the true secrets. As a minor aside, ley-lines follow the line of least resistance and thereby will spontaneously adapt to follow convenient structures including roads. This allows the esoteric architect to draw suitable energies into specific sites so as to enhance the intended human activity. A minor example is aligning lodges due east and west. 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these are the reasons, and please feel free to correct me here!
1st thing was that he said
that 2 streets meet made him think of FM's and ley lines? a little odd but lets carry on.
An 8 sided square? wouldnt that just be...an octogan not a square? not exactly a masonic square, i think that part was maybe a little misunderstood.
Between the two streets is (Masonic) Lodge Street leading into West High Street
Just adding "Masonic" before lodge doesnt making it a masonic street.
The biggest thing that really got me though is this;
If you draw a line betweenthe points of the set square, and another through thecompasses you will form a six-pointed star. This is the symbol upon which the town of Crieff has been designed
Why would FM's "edit" the square and compasses just to fit a design when there was already a symbol that matched in use?
6 pointed star? wouldnt that just be the Seal of Solomon? sorry so much with THIS site doesnt ring true or at least not well researched enough to be convincing. more a case of stretching the theories to fit a story the designer wants, especially with this ending statement.
I do however think that they have a significance in the pre history of the countrys and don't doubt that the ancient brethren were aware of them, Whether they had any use for them though is another matter.
I have seen ones marked out by churches through the South of England but again a lot of churches were built over ancient sites. A few years back there was some university students doing a study on this in Knightswood in Glasgow to see if they could find anything similar as Knightswood was a Templar encampment.
Apologies to anyone from America, when I say i give up it is because I dont see American markings made by modern buildings as ancient.
In the USA anything over 200 years old is considered ancient and ripe for either a shopping center (or centre if you prefer) is being listed as an historic monument.
I do feel sorry for David, who hasn't yet met the lizard masonic people who laid out Washington DC, complete with "bunny ears" in appropriate places. Some of us "Higher Masons" get blamed for it all the time - excuse me, time to shed my skin.
Middlesex
He quotes from my site: "Burrell Street and King Street, meet at a point, like the bottom part of a star, and it is this which alerted me to the fact that they were built on ley lines."
And adds: that two streets meet made him think of FM's and ley lines? a little odd but lets carry on.
Reply: If you look at the picture taken at the foot of the straight streets you will see churches at the ends - this alerts any ley hunter to the possibility of ley line structure.
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And again:"
Reply: The "Octagon" is always called Burrell Square by the locals and is, of course, a powerful Masonic symbol whic was included in the town's layout.
--------------------------
And again: Between the two streets is (Masonic) Lodge Street leading into West High Street "Just adding "Masonic" before lodge doesnt making it a masonic street".
Reply: The local Masonic Lodge (No. 38) was built on that street.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Yet again: A six pointed star? wouldnt that just be the Seal of Solomon?
Reply: Of course it would - I have adjusted my YouTube to that effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It may well be that the ancient Masons designed some Scottish towns and cities with respect to the ancient knowledge of ley lines. Since the USA never had such an infrastructure they would have to adjust their knowledge to suit.
The question is - why?
From a lifetime's research it is obvious to me that the ley line structure is very much connected to the spirits of the dead. See my website www.leyman.demon.co.uk
Another question - what were the Freemasons doing with a knowledge like this?
David R. Cowan
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