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Since that lodge existed before King Solomon's temple, its ritual must have had a different metaphor - presumably derived from Moses' learning in the Egyptian mysteries. Since current rituals have been edited by many generations of well-meaning brethren, the remnants of earlier practices are becoming sparse and disfigured. Nevertheless it is possible to detect aspects from the ancient mysteries including those of Egypt, Sumer and India, particularly if one has a strong foundation in metaphysical practices. Cheers Post #12487 Tom CherupTom Cherup Posted 28/09/2009 04:20 Past Master Group: Moderators Last Login: Today @ 16:10 Posts: 981, Visits: 2,772 Angus (28/09/2009) I thought that the pyramid on the back of American money was Masonic Hi Angus welcome to the forum. Just to clear something up, at present there is no Masonic symbols found on any US money. The pyramid has 13 steps one for each of the original 13 States. Tom Cherup Olive Branch Lodge #542 Dearborn, Michigan Olive Branch's web site Detroit Masonic Temple Post #12489 Mike LawrenceMike Lawrence Posted 28/09/2009 07:33 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: 27/04/2010 16:38 Posts: 280, Visits: 314 Sorry to differ brethren, but pure antient masonry consists of only three degrees including that of the Holy Royal Arch. See the Book Of Constitutions.Technically, all other Orders and side Degrees (Often wrongly described as higher degree) are not part of the masonic system although the paradox is you have to be a Freemason to be part of them and they are practiced in our Lodge rooms.Additionally, they are not formally recognized by UGLE, although many Grand Lodge Offices are patronize the orders.Its sounds confusing, but it is nevertheless a fact.Another great paradox is how we work side by side in our Lodge rooms with Hindu, Muslim and Jew alike, for we all know that Freemasonry is universal and welcome all faiths, yet so many of the other degrees are christian, particularly A & AR and Red Cross, and our fellow brethren must be of the christian faith to belong!So how can it be Freemasony? Post #12490 Mike MartinMike Martin Posted 28/09/2009 07:48 Past Master Group: Administrators Last Login: Today @ 12:34 Posts: 1,334, Visits: 3,813 Angus (28/09/2009)That turns everything that I was told on its head. I thought that the pyramid on the back of American money was Masonic, and the eye was that of Horus.It just goes to show that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the Net. As Russell makes comment our Ritual contains a mention of the Egyptians, it also does the same for the Romans and the Ancient Greeks.However, the pyramid is only a part of the spurious Rites I mentioned earlier. We do however employ a triangle in our symbolism. It should be pointed out that, in common with the all-seeing-eye, the triangle is a representation of God.Angus (28/09/2009)I knew that Kipling was asked to write a poem that was read to us, but I didn't know the entire ceremony was his design. And, no, I didn't know he was a Freemason.Interesting, I found it out by following the link you supplied. MikeThe Freemasons' Grand Charity My Mother Lodge website Join or just visit my Masonic Web RingSee my BALLS here Post #12493 cuthbertcuthbert Posted 28/09/2009 08:34 Apprentice Group: Forum Members Last Login: 02/12/2009 20:20 Posts: 59, Visits: 212 Mike Lawrence (28/09/2009)Sorry to differ brethren, but pure antient masonry consists of only three degrees including that of the Holy Royal Arch. See the Book Of Constitutions.Technically, all other Orders and side Degrees (Often wrongly described as higher degree) are not part of the masonic system although the paradox is you have to be a Freemason to be part of them and they are practiced in our Lodge rooms.Additionally, they are not formally recognized by UGLE, although many Grand Lodge Offices are patronize the orders.Its sounds confusing, but it is nevertheless a fact.Another great paradox is how we work side by side in our Lodge rooms with Hindu, Muslim and Jew alike, for we all know that Freemasonry is universal and welcome all faiths, yet so many of the other degrees are christian, particularly A & AR and Red Cross, and our fellow brethren must be of the christian faith to belong!So how can it be Freemasony? No but to be fair, in many countries, including the one where it was originated (France) the AASR accepts people of every religion...I always wondered why in the UK it doesn't work that way. Post #12495 Mike LawrenceMike Lawrence Posted 28/09/2009 09:20 Fellow Group: Forum Members Last Login: 27/04/2010 16:38 Posts: 280, Visits: 314 I never knew that......So I wonder what makes Englands A & AR so different from that practiced in other countries? Post #12497 cuthbertcuthbert Posted 28/09/2009 10:15 Apprentice Group: Forum Members Last Login: 02/12/2009 20:20 Posts: 59, Visits: 212 Mike Lawrence (28/09/2009)I never knew that......So I wonder what makes Englands A & AR so different from that practiced in other countries? Most definitely. In Italy and France I know that the AASR is considered an "antichristian" rite, either inside and outside Freemasorny. The ritual of the 18th degree, at least in the form I know, teaches religious tolerance and the equality of all the cults as expression of God. The 30th is definitely anti-catholic since it deals with the persecution of the Templars by the Catholic Chuch and the French Monarchy.In any case, this Rite was developed in the GOF, and the GOF also accepts atheists therefore I assume that this is its original form and when it was imported in England in 1845 they changed something and interpretated it in a very different way. Post #12504 Mike MartinMike Martin Posted 28/09/2009 11:03 Past Master Group: Administrators Last Login: Today @ 12:34 Posts: 1,334, Visits: 3,813 cuthbert (28/09/2009)In any case, this Rite was developed in the GOF, and the GOF also accepts atheists therefore I assume that this is its original form and when it was imported in England in 1845 they changed something and interpretated it in a very different way. Just to clarify, the GOdF has not always accepted Atheists and was recognised by the UGLE up until the point that it started to do so in 1877 when it adopted the principle of "laicite". MikeThe Freemasons' Grand Charity My Mother Lodge website Join or just visit my Masonic Web RingSee my BALLS here Post #12507 lauderdalelauderdale Posted 28/09/2009 11:35 Excellent Master Group: Forum Members Last Login: 04/07/2010 12:56 Posts: 2,238, Visits: 4,269 "See the Book Of Constitutions." Bear in mind that this is the UGLE B of C being refered to. It has no authority outside of UGLE, especially in its remarks about HRA which in my obedience and many others is part of the York Rite. In my Masonic Body, Le Droit Humain, there is an Initiatic Continuity in the A&ASR from 1st to 33rd Degree. I for example hold the 18th Degree of the A&ASR (Rose Croix) and wear my 18th Degree Collarette in a Craft Lodge. Mike Martin is correct that the 33 degrees in the A&ASR refer to the 33 years that our Lord Jesus Christ spent on Earth in human form although the number 33 has other Esoteric significance. Post #12511 Tom CherupTom Cherup Posted 28/09/2009 16:25 Past Master Group: Moderators Last Login: Today @ 16:10 Posts: 981, Visits: 2,772 Mike Lawrence (28/09/2009)Sorry to differ brethren, but pure antient masonry consists of only three degrees including that of the Holy Royal Arch. See the Book Of Constitutions.Here in the States our lodges only go to the third degree. Royal Arch is found in one of the side orders known as York Rite. 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Hi Angus welcome to the forum.
Just to clear something up, at present there is no Masonic symbols found on any US money. The pyramid has 13 steps one for each of the original 13 States.
Technically, all other Orders and side Degrees (Often wrongly described as higher degree) are not part of the masonic system although the paradox is you have to be a Freemason to be part of them and they are practiced in our Lodge rooms.
Additionally, they are not formally recognized by UGLE, although many Grand Lodge Offices are patronize the orders.
Its sounds confusing, but it is nevertheless a fact.
Another great paradox is how we work side by side in our Lodge rooms with Hindu, Muslim and Jew alike, for we all know that Freemasonry is universal and welcome all faiths, yet so many of the other degrees are christian, particularly A & AR and Red Cross, and our fellow brethren must be of the christian faith to belong!
So how can it be Freemasony?
However, the pyramid is only a part of the spurious Rites I mentioned earlier. We do however employ a triangle in our symbolism. It should be pointed out that, in common with the all-seeing-eye, the triangle is a representation of God.
MikeThe Freemasons' Grand Charity My Mother Lodge website Join or just visit my Masonic Web RingSee my BALLS here
No but to be fair, in many countries, including the one where it was originated (France) the AASR accepts people of every religion...I always wondered why in the UK it doesn't work that way.
So I wonder what makes Englands A & AR so different from that practiced in other countries?
Most definitely. In Italy and France I know that the AASR is considered an "antichristian" rite, either inside and outside Freemasorny. The ritual of the 18th degree, at least in the form I know, teaches religious tolerance and the equality of all the cults as expression of God. The 30th is definitely anti-catholic since it deals with the persecution of the Templars by the Catholic Chuch and the French Monarchy.
In any case, this Rite was developed in the GOF, and the GOF also accepts atheists therefore I assume that this is its original form and when it was imported in England in 1845 they changed something and interpretated it in a very different way.
Here in the States our lodges only go to the third degree. Royal Arch is found in one of the side orders known as York Rite.
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